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The Truth About Spice & K2 PDF Print E-mail
Chris Goldstein
Sunday, 18 July 2010 19:13

We live in a golden age of American cannabis connoisseurship. Pineapple Express and Blue Dream can be found from coast to coast. But some people have been passing on all the excellent pot in favor of a new designer drug - K2, Spice and other products containing synthetic cannabinoids - being sold and smoked in the United States. Marketed as incense, they can be purchased in head shops in silver pouches that contain random plant matter sprayed with chemicals.

K2SpiceNow K2 aqnd Spice are being banned: Missouri and Arkansas have passed laws with other states following suit.

K2 and Spice products have been dubbed, incorrectly, as “synthetic marijuana” by the media because the main high-producing ingredients, JWH-018 and others, are chemical compounds that activate the cannabinoid receptor system. But these chemicals were created for laboratory research and work in a much different way than natural pot.

Previously, some of the attraction to Spicers was getting a legal, un-prohibited high with the ability to pass a standard drug screen. In a real game-changer, last month a company began marketing a urine test that claims to detect the chemicals in Spice.

Jahan MarcuJahan Marcu is one of the few cannabinoid scientists in America. Based at Temple University in Philadelphia, he also serves on the medical advisory board of the national medical marijuana advocacy group Americans for Safe Access.

Marcu is uniquely familiar with both natural marijuana cannabinoids and these new synthetics. He published a landmark research paper proving the anti-cancer properties of THC and is considered one of the top experts in this field. Last week, I sat down with Marcu to discuss this strange new trend of people smoking laboratory chemicals.

As someone who is familiar with JWH-018 and these other synthetic cannabinoids in the lab, what is it like to see these things on the streets?

Think about the guys who invented JWH-018. This is probably the worst nightmare imaginable for a researcher to have the product of their hard work for many years, decades maybe, turned into a designer drug of abuse. Because then it gets banned and essentially your chapter in research history is over because your access to the drug vanishes. If they go systematically down the list banning all of the JWH compounds, those are less compounds we can use to enhance our knowledge of how the endo-cannabinoid system works.

What do you think of the recent banns of K2 and Spice products?

Well, I’m not a politician. I’m not a legislator and I’m not in law enforcement. And they need to do what they think is necessary to protect people. As some who’s in research and education my idea would be: Well, let’s see how dangerous these compounds are. Let’s go ahead and fund a bunch of small studies in animals. Let’s have some people who are already taking these drugs volunteer for some tests. Then we can look at them with side-by-side comparisons with alcohol and marijuana for impairment, and really get a good risk assessment. But that’s not going to happen,. There’s just going to be bans and an absence of knowledge.

From the stand point of a cannabinoid researcher, are these synthetic cannabinoid compounds something that humans should be smoking?

I would go with: No. The main reason is the animal data that is coming back is not that promising. There are a lot of JWH compounds and JWH is unique; it’s very potent at low doses. What is a little scary is that around 10 mg per kilogram in rats there was some decreased breathing. We’re talking about 1 milligram per kilogram that was able to cause catalepsy in mice.

This may indicate some off-target effects. What I mean by that is some interaction with the opioid receptors or something else. We’re seeing decreased breathing rates in rats and sort of respiratory depression from these compounds that strongly suggests that those effects are not mediated through the cannabinoid receptor system.

I have seen some rumors of people seeking the benefits of medical marijuana turning to these synthetic  compounds so they can beat their workplace drug tests. Would they have any medical benefit?

At least when you’re going to whole plant cannabis, you can look to the scientific literature and know what you’re getting. There are over 500 compounds in the cannabis plant, but we know what they are. We even know what happens when it burns. No one has done those kinds of studies on Spice. No one has hooked up a Spice cigarette to a gas chromatograph and analyzed the smoke. Those studies have been done with tobacco and marijuana for decades. We have a wealth of information about whole plant marijuana. So you know way more what you are getting into when you use a drug like cannabis.

What's up with the new urine test for K2?

The game might be over for some of the K2 and Spice compounds. The original research article on the metabolite in Spice - what the body does with them - was published by a group in Moscow. Basically, since only a small amount of the drug is needed to produce an effect, the levels of detection must be very sensitive in order to find these JWH-018 metabolites.

The structure of JWH-018 and (natural) THC is very different. If you looked at the two compounds side-by-side you would not have to be a chemist to see that they look vastly different. The unique part of JWH is the indol ring: It’s a two-ring structure with one nitrogen; this is a common motif found in other hallucinogens like LSD, mescaline and psilocybin, but is not found in (natural) THC.

Researchers have found that the body modifies the indol ring in JWH-018 and thus have developed the drug test around that modification. I’m not sure if it’s the same thing I saw marketed in California, but that is what is in the literature right now.

Do you think these will be effective tests or because of the detection levels someone will have to smoke a lot of this stuff to show up?

You’d have to be smoking a fair amount of Spice to be found in a urinalysis. It’s unclear right now because those studies just haven’t been done yet.

How is the lab community dealing with this K2/Spice phenomenon?

It definitely puts a time crunch on things. These compounds are very important to research. It would be a great loss to the scientific community if these compounds were no longer available for research. It’s a shame that unscrupulous business practices are ruining this for the scientists.

In the end, because there is no real labeling of these products, the most dangerous things in Spice may not be the chemicals we actually know about, but what we don't.

Prohibition of natural marijuana seems to be the only driving force behind the emergence of these new synthetic drugs. Politics and not science are behind the Spice bans.

To advocates, this is an additional and rather poignant public safety reason for natural marijuana to be fully legalized, right now.

Chris Goldstein is media coordinator for Philly NORML • More Blogs by Chris Goldstein here

Also see:
Spice: Getting High on Synthetic Cannabinoids
K2 Controversy Continues
More CelebStoner Blogs
CelebStoner News

Comments (47)
47 Sunday, 25 December 2011 13:54
LB the great
Can K2 be detected in sweat
46 Thursday, 22 December 2011 21:04
michael
I got drug tested for k2 spice and it showed up positive now they said they r gonna drug test me in a week and if it shows up positive again I'm fired so I quit but how do I know it will be out of my system by then ?
45 Wednesday, 14 December 2011 18:18
myla
To those of you wondering if k2 shows up in urine test the answer is no. I am on Probation and smoke the day of my urine test and passed with flying colors, but it is banned in my city and surrounding cities which sucks because I enjoyed it. This is not like pot you can not smoke alot at one time, but you don't need to it's people that abuse things that ruin it for everyone else.
44 Monday, 12 December 2011 10:02
uyhg
It's not as bad as most people think, as long as you stay calm and don't be stupid about it. It does make up feel like shit If you stop smoking after smoking it for a long time. DON'T smoke weed after trying to stop smoking K2. It makes you trip and it's not a good trip.
43 Wednesday, 07 December 2011 04:23
Michael
Well dumb ass you shouldn't have let it control you like that i think it's funny how people won’t take responsibility for what they do and they just try to blame it on the drug. Like i tell all my friends hey if you can't handle the shit don’t smoke it's simple ok! I been smoking spice, k2, super kush, Mad hatter all the name brand stuff (note i said name brand) on and off for over 3 years and still held a full time job i also unlocked my mind and became super smart all my friends tell me I’m a genies now, i just meditated for a long time while getting high. The thing is you have to be smart about this stuff ya some of its super strong shit and if you smoke to much you going to feel really high for a while and if you start freaking out your going to have a bad trip!(don’t be a pussy) You just have to go in to it with the right mind set! If your happy and you know you’re going to be ok then you can sit back and enjoy the high and free your mind and it will be a great experience. No one has ever died from smoking this stuff ever! Note if you buy some stuff from someone off the street that has a sticker on it that says K2 and the bag is open and it’s not a legit K2 pack ya no telling what’s on that shit for all you know if could be grass with Lysol sprayed on it. It goes back to don’t be a dumb ass and know what the hell your smoking get online and do some reading and find out what the hell your about to smoke. All the safe name brands are counterfeit proof you can check out http://www.dascents.com/COUNTERFEIT.html to see more about that! www.getsomesuperkush.com Has the lowest price on the market for super kush right now only $12 a pack and super fast shipping this is the only site i buy from anymore and Nate's a great guy to deal with when i called him about my order we talked and he also said this stuff unlocked his mind and is working on some really cool projects using the money he make's off his site selling this stuff. Thing is that the government can’t stop it unless they ban every chemical i talked to one of the guys that makes this stuff and he asked me you know how many drugs will get you high i said no he said about as many stars as there are in our galaxy so they can’t stop new ones from being made then they ban them and there are always new ones to replace them and this never ends. When it would be so easy just to make weed legal and not require thc to be tested for on drug test. Its bull shit that the government tries to play mommy and daddy and won’t make people take reasonability for their own actions!
42 Wednesday, 07 December 2011 04:13
Michael
Well dumb ass you shouldn't have let it control you like that i think it's funny how people won’t take responsibility for what they do and they just try to blame it on the drug. Like i tell all my friends hey if you can't handle the shit don’t smoke it's simple ok! I been smoking spice, k2, super kush, Mad hatter all the name brand stuff (note i said name brand) on and off for over 3 years and still held a full time job i also unlocked my mind and became super smart all my friends tell me I’m a genies now, i just meditated for a long time while getting high. The thing is you have to be smart about this stuff ya some of its super strong shit and if you smoke to much you going to feel really high for a while and if you start freaking out your going to have a bad trip!(don’t be a pussy) You just have to go in to it with the right mind set! If your happy and you know you’re going to be ok then you can sit back and enjoy the high and free your mind and it will be a great experience. No one has ever died from smoking this stuff ever! Note if you buy some stuff from someone off the street that has a sticker on it that says K2 and the bag is open and it’s not a legit K2 pack ya no telling what’s on that shit for all you know if could be grass with Lysol sprayed on it. It goes back to don’t be a dumb ass and know what the hell your smoking get online and do some reading and find out what the hell your about to smoke. All the safe name brands are counterfeit proof you can check out http://www.dascents.com/COUNTERFEIT.html to see more about that! www.getsomesuperkush.com Has the lowest price on the market for super kush right now only $12 a pack and super fast shipping this is the only site i buy from anymore and Nate's a great guy to deal with when i called him about my order we talked and he also said this stuff unlocked his mind and is working on some really cool projects using the money he make's off his site selling this stuff. Thing is that the government can’t stop it unless they ban every chemical i talked to one of the guys that makes this stuff and he asked me you know how many drugs will get you high i said no he said about as many stars as there are in our galaxy so they can’t stop new ones from being made then they ban them and there are always new ones to replace them and this never ends. When it would be so easy just to make weed legal and not require thc to be tested for on drug test. Its bull shit that the government tries to play mommy and daddy and won’t make people take reasonability for their own actions!
41 Wednesday, 07 December 2011 04:11
Michael
Well dumb ass you shouldn't have let it control you like that i think it's funny how people won’t take responsibility for what they do and they just try to blame it on the drug. Like i tell all my friends hey if you can't handle the shit don’t smoke it's simple ok! I been smoking spice, k2, super kush, Mad hatter all the name brand stuff (note i said name brand) on and off for over 3 years and still held a full time job i also unlocked my mind and became super smart all my friends tell me I’m a genies now, i just meditated for a long time while getting high. The thing is you have to be smart about this stuff ya some of its super strong shit and if you smoke to much you going to feel really high for a while and if you start freaking out your going to have a bad trip!(don’t be a pussy) You just have to go in to it with the right mind set! If your happy and you know you’re going to be ok then you can sit back and enjoy the high and free your mind and it will be a great experience. No one has ever died from smoking this stuff ever! Note if you buy some stuff from someone off the street that has a sticker on it that says K2 and the bag is open and it’s not a legit K2 pack ya no telling what’s on that shit for all you know if could be grass with Lysol sprayed on it. It goes back to don’t be a dumb ass and know what the hell your smoking get online and do some reading and find out what the hell your about to smoke. All the safe name brands are counterfeit proof you can check out http://www.dascents.com/COUNTERFEIT.html to see more about that! www.getsomesuperkush.com Has the lowest price on the market for super kush right now only $12 a pack and super fast shipping this is the only site i buy from anymore and Nate's a great guy to deal with when i called him about my order we talked and he also said this stuff unlocked his mind and is working on some really cool projects using the money he make's off his site selling this stuff. Thing is that the government can’t stop it unless they ban every chemical i talked to one of the guys that makes this stuff and he asked me you know how many drugs will get you high i said no he said about as many stars as there are in our galaxy so they can’t stop new ones from being made then they ban them and there are always new ones to replace them and this never ends. When it would be so easy just to make weed legal and not require thc to be tested for on drug test. Its bull shit that the government tries to play mommy and daddy and won’t make people take reasonability for their own actions!
40 Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:25
joe
I was a professional and regular marijuana user who turned to spice due to moving and having no access to pot. I was a corporate Executive earning close to 200k per year. Within 3 months I lost my job. Now I have lost my family and savings. I think of killing myself every day, and soon i am sure I will. It is poison with a big hook into your addictive personality.
39 Monday, 28 November 2011 18:04
matt
OK, here's my story: I had been smoking small amounts of Spice from a brand new glass bowl for a couple days cuz I was out of weed. I had no major issues other then I noticed my heart didn't seem to like the stuff. So I made up my mind that I would never smoke Spice again and just stick to weed. Well, I finally did get some weed again so I packed up the same glass bowl I had smoked the Spice out of. I smoked the first half of the bowl and set it down. I came back an hour later to smoke the rest. About 20 hits and it was cashed. What I didn't realize was that all the resin from the Spice I had smoked was still there and I was smoking it right along with the weed. 20+ hits of spice is waaaay too much. I was only doing like 5 at most before. Not too long after I cashed the bowl I started feeling very bad. My arms felt floaty and hands went slightly numb. My heart rate sped up and my vision faded in and out slightly and I had trouble thinking. I was scared to walk around for fear of blacking out. I went outside to get fresh air which helped slightly but only for a moment. As these feelings grew worse I started to think I had carbon monoxide poisoning. I sat outside in the cold for a while before eventually crawling in and laying on the carpet. By now I seriously thought I was going to die. My body felt like I ran a thousand marathons. I was extremely shaky and more nervous then I'd ever been in my whole life. Breathing became a struggle. I had to control my breathing because my body didn't seem to be doing it automatically. As I lay there trying to figure out what had happened to me it finally hit me as to what the cause was... Spice. All in all I was MESSED up something fierce. It was the worst night of my life. I prayed and prayed. I made my peace because I thought I was a goner. I finally gathered enough strength to pull myself up into bed and I lay there riding out this terrible affront on my body. It seemed to come in waves. I would feel slightly better for a moment, then it would come around again. Slowly over the course of the night my symptoms subsided in miniscule increments. I was over the worst of it after about 4 hours of agony. Today I feel much better comparatively, but my body feels like it was hit by a Mack truck. I'm still very nervous and slightly jittery, and I feel like reality is slightly distant. No telling how long this will last, perhaps days... but I'm so thankful to be alive and that my prayers were answered.

As you can see, I didn't intend to smoke that much Spice but it happened, and it can happen to anyone. I'm usually always very careful about this stuff yet it still happened to me, and I seriously feel like I should of died, but I was given another chance to live. If you're thinking of smoking this stuff I urge you to PLEASE don't do it! You never know what you're getting, no 2 brands are the same because the blends are always different with different potencies. It's just not worth it! Your life is worth more then a trivial high and if you ever go through what I went though that will be all too clear. I hope others will read this and learn from my experience.
38 Sunday, 13 November 2011 16:49
fhnfhnfhn
Spice is fucking stupid, never smoke it. It makes you trip but 90% of the time it's a bad trip. I thought it was cool for a while, but what I didn't know is it makes you have a VERY bad depression. This shit makes you suicidal as a long-term affect, no joke. After smoking this I can't even smoke weed without getting so depressed I want to kill myself.
37 Tuesday, 25 October 2011 23:30
antiallday
you who support drug use r what's wrong with society. dumb
36 Friday, 21 October 2011 22:38
rico swava
if you smoke the stuff that doesn't have any of the JWH-018 can it show up on the new K2 drug tests now? need to know ASAP and need to know 100% from someone who knows what their taking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
35 Friday, 21 October 2011 22:37
rico swava
if you smoke the stuff that doesn't have any of the JWH-018 can it show up on the new K2 drug tests now? need to know ASAP and need to know 100% from someone who knows what their taking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
34 Wednesday, 12 October 2011 15:08
frenchymiami
I would like to try K2 but does it show positive on a drug test?
33 Thursday, 08 September 2011 14:01
imf
there is a company that conducts seminars in regards to all aspects of synthetic drugs including K2. for more info contact Rachel Sams on twitter...
32 Monday, 29 August 2011 14:06
the real side effects
I am against the use of Spice. I am not hating on it for idiotic reasons but those of you who protest for Spice need help now, or you've never smoked it, or are messed up on other drugs and don't know it's harmful or care. I believe reactions are different for everyone but there are many side effects in Spice that cause chemical imbalances and when you stop taking Spice after smoking everyday and know you want more and need it, you start selling things to get it but when you can't do so you become irritable from withdrawal and go into rage and hurt or abuse people you love physically and mentally. I have been abused by someone on Spice and so have my friends who are divorced. Their husbands have ruined their own lives and are regretful but they are highly addicted to Spice.
31 Monday, 15 August 2011 22:16
Anonymous
Me, my girlfriend, and a friend all smoked K2 called Kryp2nite. We all tripped really bad. For 5 days we were unfocused and unable to think straight and during the few hours of tripping after smoking just 3 hits we all hallucinated. Now we are all testing positive for PCP, THC, opiates and methamphetamine. DO NOT smoke K2. It is not worth the risk. People can put anything they want into these products. This was not our first time smoking K2 so it's not like we just didn't know what it was supposed to feel like and weren't expecting it. Our K2 was laced, so be careful.
30 Tuesday, 09 August 2011 02:03
K2 SMOKE
does anyone know yet if K2 is detectable in a urine test?
29 Sunday, 07 August 2011 21:14
a clean person
anyone ever think that maybe you should just stop smoking all forms of weed or grass etc? try being clean, people - it will eliminate the need for this stupid stuff!
28 Friday, 05 August 2011 21:02
BillyBlue
I stopped smoking marijuana at the end of June, roughly about 3 days before July. I went all thru July without smoking weed, and a friend of mine popped up around the end of July with a small amount of Spice. I told him that I was trying to become a truck driver and he ensured me that the Spice would not be detected in my urine if i were to take a drug test. I smoked it and sure enough around the 3rd of August I tested positive for THC! I am hoping it is because of the fact that i have not allowed myself enough time for the THC to leave my body and not because I have smoked Spice. I am a rather chubby dude and i have resorted to drinking a lot of water and vinegar daily in hopes of flushing my system of this horrible drug. I feel like an idiot because after i smoked the Spice. Could it have been the Spice that made me test positive? Please help!
27 Monday, 01 August 2011 17:22
Dekita Robinson
I smoke the different varieties of Spice and I have had no health problems. Currently the cops raided my home and took many pipes and about 75 empty packets of K2, K3, K4, Spice, and legal Ecstasy. Am I at risk of getting caught with a blood or urine screening, because I had to stop smoking ganja thanks to my mother's at-home tests and my new job? I have smoked this stuff for over a year and have no intention of quitting, unless it can be found easily by a test...
26 Monday, 18 July 2011 18:09
noam chomsky
ummm...cops and jails would DEFINITELY not go out of business or see job losses if pot was legalized. That's probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard someone say. I guess in places that have legal pot they just don't have police or jails because there is nothing to do....lol

JWH is a great alternative, surprisingly great for a THC analog that is legal. People always find a way to ruin a good thing. I'm sure someone will get really high off of it and jump out of a window because the'yr an idiot and they'll start calling it the green devil or some such bullshit. Whatever happened to personal responsibility!?
25 Sunday, 26 June 2011 12:20
DEWDEWHead
Legalize pot?

MAIN con on this one is that about 60% of the police and jailing officials would be out of work. Period. This would cause a major overflow of unemployment. HOWEVER, what they dont tell you is that they can start government growing facilities and hire those who are put out of a job there. Problem solved.\

Dew,K2,jh-*** all of this is about the same thing, synthetic. we dont really know what kind of adverse effects we will see from this in the future due to lack of actual testing. In my opinion, they are dangerous, just like asprin is dangerous. so if your too stupid to know not to take 15 asprin and a bottle of vodka, stay away from the synthetics ;)
24 Friday, 10 June 2011 00:34
dago
k2 sucks but it does the trick. i don't get the munchies though. i guess that's a good thing...
23 Tuesday, 07 June 2011 14:48
dng10195
WEED IS WAY HEALTHIER THAN THIS BS. TRUST ME I KNOW. I USED TO SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY AND NOW I GET DRUG TESTS EVERY OTHER DAY SO I SMOKE K2/SPICE AND KNOW THAT K2/SPICE HAS WAY WORSE EFFECTS.
22 Friday, 03 June 2011 16:01
the-internet-market
w spice & K2
http://get-in-line.com/
http://click-where-you-like.com/
21 Friday, 20 May 2011 16:09
yoyo
well i will tell you this
spice is not detectable by a standard pee test. yay!!! i put on the message board that ill get back to ya if i can. and i can! so the o.p.p. (other peoples pee) the the p.o. is holding will not get you popped. 5-20-11
20 Friday, 13 May 2011 23:11
buy spice online
As so much as quality and therefore the effectiveness are the medium to gauge the potency of the herbal incense, one will opt for either Wicked X incense and Wicked XXX Spice Herbal Incense as it's the simplest spice blend available. These also are offered online at special low prices and come with a guarantee of being a 100% natural product.
19 Monday, 02 May 2011 15:49
yoyo
ok lets see if this stuff(spice) can get you in lock up. i smoked about a gram on sat. and a roach on sun. i had a p.o. pee test on mon. march 2 2011. now i have to wait. i will check in in a week and then a week after that. wish me luck spiceheads.
18 Saturday, 16 April 2011 02:22
big canine
You all can dream all you want about legalization of weed, but it ain't gonna happen. If California couldn't get it passed last time it was on the ballot, I can't see any other state legalizing it. Until the stigma associated with it's recreational use significantly diminishes, not enough people will buy the idea to vote pro legalization. In the meanwhile, I'm stuck with K2, Spice, Black Magic, etc because it isn't worth the risk of being in the legal system.
17 Friday, 15 April 2011 09:27
micah
They've been trying to ban this K2 incense stuff for at least a year and the effort is an utter failure, surprise surprise! Herbal incense itself isn't being banned. Select chemicals that have been found in some of the products are being banned. So all that's happening is the manufacturers of K2 herb products are tweaking the formula to keep their product legal. There are loads of places still offering legal K2 herb products, so I say put age restrictions on it and regulate it. Otherwise we're just dumping more time and money that we don't have into a failed prohibition.
16 Tuesday, 05 April 2011 13:13
chris
How long does this K2 or spice take to be out of your system? Is it like the marijuana which takes 30 days? Need to know...
15 Wednesday, 30 March 2011 12:42
Brian
I get six panel drug tests. Could they suddenly give me a spice test? cause i smoke a fair amount of spice.
14 Wednesday, 02 March 2011 23:29
might b
i am on probation and someone called my p.o. and said i was smoking k2. she said she tested me for it and it was positive. is that true it's testable? however i didn't smoke k2, that's why i'm askin
13 Friday, 28 January 2011 22:23
Wrecker
so it doesn't show on drug test then?
12 Wednesday, 26 January 2011 23:51
megan
this K2 stuff is really bad for you. if pot were properly regulated under "legalized" conditions we wouldn't have problems like K2.
11 Wednesday, 26 January 2011 11:52
Jeff
I've been smoking K2 Incense for months now and I have to say that I quite like the product. It's awesome! KEEP IT LEGAL.
10 Wednesday, 26 January 2011 07:56
Christina M.
It is blatantly obvious that prohibition just doesn't work. k2 herb has survived all these bans thus far. If people want to buy k2 incense, it looks like they're going to have no problems doing it as there are places that have k2 incense products that aren't restricted by any current bans. It's unconstitutional to make someone's recreational decisions for them. I think our founding fathers would be appalled by how the Constitution is being stomped on. Let us have more respect for our individual liberties and take more personal responsibility. Parent your children, stop looking to Mommy Government to do it for you with all these ineffective and oppressive laws.
9 Monday, 11 October 2010 21:01
Matt
It's scary how the range of potency varies so much and there are loads of people falsely using the K2 label. I wish people would be more careful, especially my loved ones. My friends were telling me about some sort of blueberry K2 incense and I googled it and found out it isn't legit. The list of fakes I found is scary long, http://www.k2-incense.com. It's worth checking out if you buy this or know someone who does. Stay safe.....
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7 Thursday, 16 September 2010 13:23
Bryan
K2 is being banned by states like wildfire. Some are even classifying it as a class 3 drug like meth and heroin.

Go to WicketHerb and they can show you which K2 blends are legal in your state.

Be safe, people
6 Thursday, 16 September 2010 13:05
Bryan
Olivia,
K2Incense is full of BS.
Their claim to have a trademark which you can check is false.
Their claim to have the original recipe for K2 again is false. K2 has been around for about 4-5 years now. I smoked some Spice in Europe over 3 years ago. K2incense.org has only been around since Feb 2010.

They are trying to scare people into thinking only they have the real deal. That is like a gas station saying only they have the REAL gasoline or Folgers saying only they have the Original coffee.

All in all, just beware of sites claiming they only have the Real or Original K2!!!

I just wish they would legalize marijuana and end this K2 crap.
5 Thursday, 09 September 2010 20:06
Olivia
I wish people would be more careful. My friends were telling me about some sort of blueberry k2 incense and I googled it and found out it is counterfeit. Apparently there are only a few authentic blends. The list of fakes is scary long and they don't quite know what is in those, http://www.k2incense.org. It's worth checking out if you buy this or know someone who does. Stay safe.....
4 Friday, 03 September 2010 01:50
Barbara Cole
What about in Pregnancy. I'm scared for an unborn child in Wyoming.
3 Monday, 30 August 2010 01:30
C.J.
I think "focus on the main points" pretty much explains it. "Someone please for the first time think." Alcohol damages the liver. Going green has so many benefits that are hidden from society because of big medical companies and/or alcohol dealers because of $$$...
2 Thursday, 19 August 2010 05:43
a guy who cares
i agree with the researcher here. the things we can do with marijuana are known. hemp is one of the most diverse things we have that's natural. we could build houses with that stuff. make clothes. helps cancer. a thing for some reason that has given us so much trouble. but put the thc compound in the mix and omg we have something (that works and is natural) that helps cancer patients. i hear they don't legalize marijuana because its hard to tax. ok honestly if that's the case copy k2 and sell it for that price. put a age limit on it, 21. i promise it would help this ever so wonderful economy we have. i would rather my kid smoke then to drink. any day. the horrible things that drinking does to the body and they're worried about marijuana. just shows how stupid people can be. i support you mr. jahan. anyone with the slightest intelligence should do the same. our country for a long time has overreacted without thinking about the future. someone pleasse for the first time think. just think. be real and focus on main points. know all your facts. thanks for listening. i hope it all works out mr. jahan.
1 Thursday, 22 July 2010 22:41
hms-one
Excellent article! I totally came back here to read this a second time. I might open a Digg account if y'all had a button on this.

BTW, if there is a colloquial name for a JWH laced cigarette I would like to know it. Enjoy this sh*t while you can, folks! I totally agree about the plight of the scientists who will have so much potential research denied by reactionary bans.