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Washington Pot Initiative Splits Reform Community PDF Print E-mail
Sunday, 06 November 2011 22:58

A marijuana legalization proposal by New Approach Washington has activists taking sides in the Evergreen State. While Initiative 502 would tax and regulate cannabis, co-sponsor Rick Steves admits it's a "sober, pragmatic and conservative law."

New Approach WashingtonRick StevesI-502 limits use to over 21 and has a provision that blood-tests drivers stopped for being allegedly under the influence. "If you're caught driving intoxicated, they should throw the book at you," Steves says, defending the DUI provision which defines intoxication as five nanaograms of THC. This has led Seattle Hempfest producer Vivian McPeak to state, "I cannot, in good conscience, support New Approach Washington."          I-502 co-sponsor Rick Steves

On the other side, I-502's campaign director Alison Holcomb (known for her work with the ACLU), says: "When you're making big changes, you need to take incremental steps."

"It deals head-on with the reason Prop 19 failed," explains TV travel host Steves, referring to last year's failed initiative in California. "It deals with legitimate concerns. It's the most viable legalize marijuana bill that has ever been presented to a state in the United States."

Sensible Washington's Doug Hiatt disagrees. "The way they are doing it is completely insane," he says. "It's a giant waste of time. Why pass something that won't work? It's not real reform."

Ironically, one of I-502's biggest supporters, former U.S. Attorney John McKay, prosecuted Marc Emery. Other backers include Washington State Democrats, State Rep. Mary Lou Dickerson, Seattle city attorney Pete Holmes, Washingston State bar president Sal Mungia, and philanthropists Harriett Builitt and Bill Clapp. New Approach has raised more than $1 millionso far; in order to get on the ballot it needs 241,000 signatures.

Nora Callahan of The November Coalition won't be signing on. "We want a law for the people," the reformer relates. "I don't know if this law cuts it."

Let us know what you think...

Also see:
California's Regulate Marijuana Like Wine Act
NORML Opposes Colorado's Amendment 40
Outrage Over Drug Czar's Comments
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Comments (13)
13 Monday, 19 December 2011 15:43
death is 502
As patient's who do we file suite against. the state or New Approach. Tie up the courts with inhumane suffering and wrongful death case's
12 Sunday, 13 November 2011 21:33
Troy Barber
I-502 is not worthy of support or endorsement. The stated goal is to end prohibition, but some provisions in this initiative are the reverse. I-502 provides law enforcement with new DUI statutes to profile suspect drivers, many of whom will prove innocent of impairment - but will be left with no defense under the per se levels to be written into law. Federal preemption and the proposed tax-structure will exacerbate an illegal black market, not deter it. I-502 provides a perfect storm to ramp up the war on marijuana. New Approach Washington sacrifices some of our most vulnerable, and at-risk, segments of the population as political pawns for an over ambitious win at the polls.

The proposed three-tier 25% tax structure will keep street prices for cannabis artificially high. This will do nothing to deter the illegal black market, which will undercut the state price and avoid taxation altogether. The best way to reduce organized crime with marijuana is to make the product less lucrative to potential profiteers.

A legalize, tax, and regulate initiative for a schedule 1 substance has never before been attempted in this state. If I-502 gathers enough signatures, and wins in the 2012 general election, federal preemption will ensue, and New Approach Washington is banking on that action as part of their political strategy. It is their belief, a federal trial over states’ rights will bring the discussion of ending prohibition on cannabis to the national stage. They may be correct in that assessment. Unfortunately, they are willing to use patients and young adults as political fodder to achieve that goal. This presents a moral dilemma for many cannabis advocates.

The only successful anti-prohibition model to reference in our state history is I-61 (“Repeal of the Bone Dry Act”) which Washington voters passed in 1932, a full year prior to the ratification of the 21st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. This is the approach that Sensible Washington models their initiatives on: repeal first, then tax and regulate via the legislature.

The strategic choices are to support the legalize, tax, regulate model as proposed by NAW or the simple repeal model of Sensible Washington, which has historically proven to work against alcohol prohibition. The ethical choices are to end prohibition for all responsible adults (SW), or sacrifice potentially innocent people for perceived political gain. It is up to each individual to decide, hopefully their conclusion will be based in facts and research, and not blind conjecture.
11 Sunday, 13 November 2011 13:50
Sam Wayne Smith
I can't grow, You can't grow...NO, NO, NO
Tweak the rules?? Are you fools??
I'm not a tweaker, I'm a toker....
Remember PIZZA from the Senate joker???
10 Monday, 07 November 2011 23:11
Jeff Steinborn
I-502 is a government sting disguised as reform. The proposed law has no chance of surviving a court challenge based upon its requirement that all participants incriminate themselves by registering. The case law on this issue is plentiful and unanimous. This issue is not subject to debate. I'm astounded that so many intelligent well-meaning people are able to ignore this glaring flaw and support the proposed initiative. What’s wrong with a state law that attempts to legalize and regulate cannabis through a system requiring that participants register with the state or be licensed by the state? One federal judge recently called the idea delusional. Confidential records held by state authorities can and will be subpoenaed by federal law enforcement.

In the most recent litigation of the issue records reflecting registration by persons participating in Michigan’s medical marijuana program were subpoenaed by the DEA. Michigan adopted a medical marijuana law which included registration provisions. The law provided confidentiality for those who registered. The DEA subpoenaed those records. The federal judge who heard the case not only upheld the validity of the subpoena, he ridiculed the people who had imagined that a state law could trump the federal law. I-502 is quite specific about this issue. It modifies RCW 69.50.500 to require that the Liquor Control Board cooperate with federal law enforcement agencies. This is the same agency that is given the responsibility to license and regulate cannabis. If that’s not a sting operation, I respectfully await some other explanation.
9 Monday, 07 November 2011 16:31
Ben Scales
The DUI part of this initiative is wrong-headed, but my biggest problem with I-502 is that it doesn't allow home cultivation, which means fewer strains and choice for the consumer, but more money for the corporate oligarchy.
8 Monday, 07 November 2011 13:00
Patients Against I-502
The 5 ng/ml limit for THC is not even close to comparable to alcohol. For one thing, alcohol is one of the few substances in the world where impairment is directly correlated to a certain level in your system. At 0.08 BAC, every single one of us will be at the same impairment level, regardless of how we reached that level. With THC, your levels can vary greatly, as can your impairment level. An occasional user who has only consumed cannabis a few times will be MUCH more impaired from a single joint, whereas a patient could smoke a couple of joints and still not feel any real "high." That's because patients have worked their way up to an effective dose (much like many pharmaceuticals) and any side effects (i.e. the high that impairs most) are minimal. When you add in the half-life of cannabis and the fact that patients need to medicate regularly, which increases the stored THC levels exponentially, I-502's DUIC law is a recipe for disaster!

This doesn't even touch on the fact that a certain class of drivers (those under 21) are subject to an entirely different set of rules under I-502. Even though medical marijuana is legal for 18+, I-502 sets a 0.00 THC limit for drivers under 21 with no exception for those using cannabis under a doctor's supervision. This means even the most miniscule amount of THC (which can be caused by secondhand smoke) will make you guilty of DUI.

To see the scientific research proving THC levels have ZERO correlation to impairment, please visit Patients Against I-502
7 Monday, 07 November 2011 06:30
rocky
what's wrong with just a field sobriety test? if your brain is working right and your motor skills are working right why can you drive? if they do that for weed they should have to do it to everyone to see if there is prescription drugs in their blood.
6 Monday, 07 November 2011 06:28
Seamus MaGuire
This is another piece of legislation written with no practical knowledge of marijuana use. Will there be a "two stick rule" like in the hospital. HOW ABOUT A BILL FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO STOP RUINING PEOPLE LIVES OVER A PLANT?
5 Monday, 07 November 2011 02:56
d
Anyone who says they are for the DUI part hasn't really considered what 5 nanograms of THC means, and have forgotten or don't know the half-life of THC in the body. A person could have 5 nanograms of weed from smoking days prior to ever getting pulled over, weeks even. A blood test simply won't cut it at all, because the half-life for marijuana is so damn long, not to mention the fact that THC to blood content is not indicative at all of having smoked before/while driving. The DUI provision must have been written by someone who doesn't understand pot in the least. Whether you smoke and drive or not, if you get pulled over and have smoked in the last month, chances are your blood will be above the limit.
4 Monday, 07 November 2011 02:42
Panama
You guys say, let's get it legalized, then start tweaking the bill. Or that this law is a great step forward. And trust me, I believe that such a law that would support the legalization, or even the decriminalization of this poorly understood substance, is a great thing. However, one thing is wrong with this bill, and it is that it requires a blood test when you get pulled over. Well, let's say that you have gone the entire day without smoking a joint, cause you've been working all day. The day before though, you had a day off of work, and decided to smoke throughout the day. Well, now because you probably lit up 3 to 5 joints the day before, your system still has over 5 nanograms of THC still in it. However, are you still high from the day before? Of course you aren't. The biggest thing we have to realize here is that perfection has to be spot-on for this to work. Am I saying it won't work? At a state level, I'm sure it will, but when other states see California going back and adjusting a law multiple times to fit the concerns of other governmental officials, then they will question whether they want to take that step. Why, you ask? Well, it's all about money and the manpower spent to get it there. Then you have to consider what the federal government is going to do. Are they going to step in? Is a Supreme Court official going to overturn the bill completely? If so, how will that effect the current bill in place?
3 Monday, 07 November 2011 01:22
cantseetheforest
My feeling has always been that any package which decriminalizes marijuana and institutes state regulation and taxation should also include a comprehensive allowance for those who wish to cultivate small amounts of the plant for personal use at home, similar to the laws allowing for home wine making or beer brewing. Generate revenue for the government, sure - but Uncle Sam should not be the sole dealer. That's unconstitutional. Growing and curing your own is relatively easy, dirt cheap and satisfying.

The DUI provision in I-502 seems a bit draconian. For one thing, as anyone with personal experience in the profound difference between driving while a bit stoned versus driving while sloshed will tell you, the two are not at all the same; driving drunk is vastly more dangerous in my opinion, and this is backed up by numerous statistics. At least this bill requires tests to be performed by medical professionals, which means that police departments - which are already entitled to administer blood tests pursuant to any number of things under probable cause - aren't likely to overuse the "privilege." There will always be a potential for police abuse and infringement on civil liberties sadly, but don't blame the law. Blame Joe Q. Taxpayer, the one who seems to believe that hitting a joint makes you a menace on the highway.

This bill isn't perfect, and I don't exactly want to give it a hug or anything, but it just might be viable. Baby steps, people.
2 Monday, 07 November 2011 00:34
TheSyFyGuy
I am all for the DUI bit. It should be as close to what the law is for booze. If you don't dig that it is, most likely, because you are someone who knows you will be breaking that part of the law. Tough noogies. Let's get it legalized, and then start tweaking the laws.
1 Monday, 07 November 2011 00:20
THE INDIVIDUALS
The cops will have a field day if they can test drivers and charge them for having low amounts of THC in their system.